i would agree with senator durbin absolutely. i'll give you a reform in medicare i think democrats would support. and that is looking at prescription drugs. and making it more competitive. >> bill: amen. >> or really crackening down on the fraud that takes place through the medical devices which is not with individuals cheating medicare. they're fictitious businesses set up that rob medicare of billions of dollars every year. so it's not as though changes to entitlement programs are completely off the table. it is the structural breaking of the guarantee that should be off the table. >> bill: isn't it interesting when president obama did identify $716 billion in fraudulent billing on the part of insurance companies and cut that out that they accused him of cutting benefits in medicare. >> well because what benefits were they concerned about. the benefits to big businesses. >> bill: exactly. congresswoman karen bass in studio with us. we'll welcome your calls and comments at 1-866-55-press. the "full court press" continues in just